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    New 1099 rules starting 1/1/2012

    From a CNN article 5/5/10:

    Health care law's massive, hidden tax change

    An all-but-overlooked provision of the health reform law is threatening to swamp U.S. businesses with a flood of new tax paperwork.

    Section 9006 of the health care bill -- just a few lines buried in the 2,409-page document -- mandates that beginning in 2012 all companies will have to issue 1099 tax forms not just to contract workers but to any individual or corporation from which they buy more than $600 in goods or services in a tax year.

    The stealth change radically alters the nature of 1099s and means businesses will have to issue millions of new tax documents each year.

    Right now, the IRS Form 1099 is used to document income for individual workers other than wages and salaries. Freelancers receive them each year from their clients, and businesses issue them to the independent contractors they hire.

    But under the new rules, if a freelance designer buys a new iMac from the Apple Store, they'll have to send Apple a 1099. A Laundromat that buys soap each week from a local distributor will have to send the supplier a 1099 at the end of the year tallying up their purchases.

    The bill makes two key changes to how 1099s are used. First, it expands their scope by using them to track payments not only for services but also for tangible goods. Plus, it requires that 1099s be issued not just to individuals, but also to corporations.

    Taken together, the two seemingly small changes will require millions of additional forms to be sent out.

    "It's a pretty heavy administrative burden," particularly for small businesses without large in-house accounting staffs, says Bill Rys, tax counsel for the National Federation of Independent Businesses.

    Eliminating the goods exemption could launch an avalanche of paperwork, he says: "If you cater a lunch for other businesses every Wednesday, say, that's a lot of information to keep track of throughout the year."

    The paper trail

    Why did these tax code revisions get included in a health-care reform bill? Welcome to Washington. The idea seems to be that using 1099 forms to capture unreported income will generate more government revenue and help offset the cost of the health bill.

    Representatives of the Senate Finance Committee, which authored the changes, were not available for comment by press time.

    The new rules could drastically alter the tax-reporting landscape by spotlighting payments that previously went unreported. Freelancers and other independent operators typically write off stacks of business expenses; having to issue tax paperwork documenting each of them could cut down on fraudulent deductions.

    More significantly, the 1099 trail would expose payments to small operators that might now be going unreported. If you buy a computer for your business from a major chain retailer, the seller almost certainly documents the revenue. But if you buy it from Tim's Computer Shack down the street, Tim might not report and pay taxes on his income from the sale.

    The IRS estimates that the federal government loses more than $300 billion each year in tax revenue on income that goes unreported. Using 1099s to document millions of transactions that now go untracked is one way to begin to close the gap.

    While all but unnoticed at the time -- a Pennsylvania business group issued the first warning last October as the idea emerged in draft Senate legislation -- the 1099 rule changes began sparking attention in the blogosphere in the last week. The libertarian Cato Institute called it a "costly, anti-business nightmare"; Rep. Dan Lungren, R-Calif., introduced legislation last week that would repeal the new 1099 requirements.

    The notion of mailing a tax form to Costco or Staples each year to document purchases may seem absurd to small business owners, but that's not the worst of it, tax experts say.

    Marianne Couch, a principal with the Cokala Tax Group in Michigan and former chair of a citizen advisory group to the IRS on small business and self-employed tax issues, thinks the bigger headache will be data collection: gathering names and taxpayer identification numbers for every payee and vendor that you do business with.

    But she also sees a silver lining in the new law.

    Her firm already recommends collecting tax data on all vendors, since the IRS requires that you have it on hand at the time of the transaction, not just at tax-filing time. And eliminating the corporate and goods exemptions at least means that businesses will no longer have to pour over every transaction to determine if it needs a 1099. The new rule is simpler: If it crosses the $600 threshold, it's in.

    "There are probably going to be some hiccups along the way, because systems will need to be redesigned," says Couch. "But overall I believe it will make compliance on the payor end a lot more streamlined and easier."

    In any case, the final impact of the law won't be known until the IRS issues its regulations on the new law, which aren't expected to arrive until sometime next year. The IRS has not yet commented on when it will release regulations or schedule public hearings, and an agency spokesman was unsure when it will do so. The new requirements kick in January 1, 2012.
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    The most important line in this article:
    Quote Originally Posted by CNN
    "In any case, the final impact of the law won't be known until the IRS issues its regulations on the new law, which aren't expected to arrive until sometime next year."
    Link to original article here.

    BTW, the preferred method for this kind of post is quoting a small portion of the text and including a link to the original article on the web. That way we don't have copyright issues...
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    sigh.. as if it wasn't hard enough to be a small business already.
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    Welcome to Washington.
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    I'm withholding judgment until the IRS releases its regulations next year...

    It may end up being a hassle - but at the same time, requiring photogs running a "business" to do a little bit more paperwork, and act like a business, may not be an entirely bad thing. :o)

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    You can bet the requirements when all is said and done will be much more than we even now recognize. The cost of this bill has just been increased by $125,000,000,000, so does any think the paperwork won't also be increased as we go along? Hmmm...
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    Like I said, requiring people that are running a business to maintain records and file appropriately isn't entirely a bad thing. If someone's running a business and can't make ends meet, much less afford an accountant, maybe it'll serve as a call to reevaluate how business is being done. There's always a silver lining. :o)

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    Doh! That was me. I forgot to log Holly out before chiming in... Shh... Don't tell her.

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    Like I said, requiring people that are running a business to maintain records and file appropriately isn't entirely a bad thing. If someone's running a business and can't make ends meet, much less afford an accountant, maybe it'll serve as a call to reevaluate how business is being done. There's always a silver lining. :o)
    So do you seriously think somebody who isn't currently collecting and paying sales tax, or business property tax, etc, is going to change how they operate because of this new requirement? IMHO very little chance.

    The only thing this accomplishes is to create a huge headache for people who are trying to run a business properly. Having to send a 1099 to Costco for a PC you buy to do your photo work seems pretty stupid to me. Do you think whether or not you send that 1099 is going to have any effect on how Costco reports their income? Give me a break. All it's going to do is create a huge amount of unnecessary paperwork and bureaucratic overhead.
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    All I'm saying is, let's wait and see how it plays out. The alternative was to raise taxes or create a new tax. This will allow for fewer dollars to slip through the cracks of the existing tax structure. Maybe it's the lesser evil.

    As for the people you mention - probably not. But, there are still lots and lots of people paying sales tax and muddying the market for a few years before the realize they're losing money and close down. I know plenty of people that are running pseudo-businesses. They have the paperwork, but lose money on every sale...

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    The age old battle of "moms with cameras" versus the professionals is being drug up to help find a silver lining in a new IRS regulation. Jeff is absolutely correct in his statement - this new 1099 regulation will have the same effect on the exponential explosion of halfassed photography businesses as the existing laws do: absolutely none.

    What it DOES do, is create a nightmare for true photography businesses with massively more detailed tax returns and significantly increased expense. I would have had to send out nearly FIFTY 1099's this past tax year under these rules. I've been in contact with my corporate accountant and he's feeling overwhelmed at how much extra work this is going to create for him and all of his clients, including me. I then gagged at the number I'll pay him for issuing roughly fifty 1099's in 2011. This is truly ridiculous.
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