Canon 1Dx

[jeffkohn]

Originally Posted by Tom

I know a whole lot of shooters that went from the 1.3x to the FF D3 or D3s over the past few years.

I really like the 1.3x for sports. 520 2.8 is great. But having clean files at 3200 or 6400 would be incredible. Especially for the guys that make a living at high school sports. My local HS field is underexposed by multiple stops at 1/320 2.8 3200.

The other side of the coin is that I rarely have to really blow something up big when I need the reach. Maybe it is different for nature guys.

Don't get me wrong the 1DX looks like a nice camera and I'm sure a lot of people will really like it. All I'm questioning is whether makes sense to merge the 1D and 1Ds lines, when their users have different needs and priorities in a camera. The design parameters for maximizing high-ISO performance vs low-ISO/resolution are somewhat in conflict.

I've seen speculation elsewhere that the next 5D model will take up the mantle for the high-resolution; that may be and a lot of landscape shooters would probably be fine with that since they don't really need a flag-ship level body with 12fps and high-end AF (as long as weather sealing and durability are up to par with at least D700/D300). The only thing that might be odd about that is having a $3K DSLR with more resolution than your $7K flagship.

[Todd Lambert]

Originally Posted by jeffkohn

Don't get me wrong the 1DX looks like a nice camera and I'm sure a lot of people will really like it. All I'm questioning is whether makes sense to merge the 1D and 1Ds lines, when their users have different needs and priorities in a camera. The design parameters for maximizing high-ISO performance vs low-ISO/resolution are somewhat in conflict.

I've seen speculation elsewhere that the next 5D model will take up the mantle for the high-resolution; that may be and a lot of landscape shooters would probably be fine with that since they don't really need a flag-ship level body with 12fps and high-end AF (as long as weather sealing and durability are up to par with at least D700/D300). The only thing that might be odd about that is having a $3K DSLR with more resolution than your $7K flagship.

Agreed, but they just dropped the megapixel count for the first time ever, so there's a first being established with a lot things concerning this body and it's line.

I still think the 5D3 is going to be 28mp, with a similar body (not weather sealed) and slow fps and a marginally bumped up auto focus.

However, I can see Canon coming out with a new model camera that gets close to rivaling MF cameras, something extremely high res, 36mp+ etc... which will become the defacto camera for people need super large images, fashion shooters, etc..

This move makes much more sense, allows Canon to keep the # of bodies the same, yet focus their technologies of each, for specific markets. I think Canon is trying to simplify it's product line ala Apple. Getting to just 1 model for the 1D line, 1 for the 5D line, 1 for the 7D line and the 60D is EOL.

So, you'll have:

Rebel < 7D < 5D < 1D < zD(as yet announced high res MF-like camera)

This would leave them room to introduce a 3D line at some point, if they ever felt then needed to.

[Tom]

Agreed, but they just dropped the megapixel count for the first time ever

Depends on your perspective.

It is still larger than the 1D Mark IV, but not as big as the 1Ds Mark III or 5D Mark II

[lhdvies]

If the 1Dx lives up the the specs & all works as advertised, it will be a fanatastic camera & will be a great tool for probably the majority of professionals who are not concerned with "reach".
Bird & long distance wildlife photogs will sort of get a "double whammy" in losing the the
f/8 AF(will cut back on the extender usage) & also losing the crop factor. Quite a few I have talked to will be keeping the 1d4 (which is an oustanding cam in its own). Of course the "proof is in the usage" and it will be awhile before we know how great the cam is or isn't.
If it lives up to its hype, it will really be something!

[andyz]

The video says it uses dual CF cards, not a CF and SD. I thought that was odd. I thought the variety was a plus.

[Todd Lambert]

Personally, I'd rather have the same format, and I'm glad it's CF actually.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by andyz

The video says it uses dual CF cards, not a CF and SD. I thought that was odd. I thought the variety was a plus.

Most pros already have CF cards as their main cards because they are cheaper, faster and bigger. I have like two SD cards because I have a couple devices that only take SD (like my audio recorders.)

Glad it is all CF. Big selling point to me as I have ~25 CF cards and 2 SD cards.

[Angelo]

Originally Posted by Tom

Most pros already have CF cards as their main cards because they are cheaper, faster and bigger. I have like two SD cards because I have a couple devices that only take SD (like my audio recorders.)

Glad it is all CF. Big selling point to me as I have ~25 CF cards and 2 SD cards.

Same here Tom.
I always wondered why not two CF cards on previous models.
Now I will also use the second slot.

I'm wondering how many 1Ds users are disappointed because of the 18mp instead of what was rumored, 30-54mp

[iCe]

I'm not disappointed... I think the DsMKII produced better images than the DsMKIII does and imho its because of packing too many pixels into the same size sensor

[Moses on the Street]

I would guess now that the 5D Mark 3 will probably cost about 1,000 dollars more than the current 5d Mark 2, given that Canon now has room in its price structure.

[andyz]

While not a deal breaker in any sense, the SD slot can be used by a WiFi card (forgot the name, doesn't matter) and images can also be saved on the CF card. That was one advantage that was less expensive than the wireless transmitter grip. A wireless "unteathered" shoot with images seen on a laptop, desktop or iPad would be fun.

[Jim Victory]

Originally Posted by iCe

I'm not disappointed... I think the DsMKII produced better images than the DsMKIII does and imho its because of packing too many pixels into the same size sensor

As a 1DsMKIII replacement the 1Dx is a camera I will probably pickup and then sell my 1DsMKIII.

I also liked the files from the 1DsMKII better. If it just had a better menu system and battery I would have never upgraded. It just not going to replace my 1DMKIV but it would be a nice backup for non-FL limited shots.

[dunderwood]

To me, it seems like Canon is opening the lineup for the 7D successor to be more expensive, but fill the 'birder' niche. High-ish frame rate (~10fps), 1.6x crops sensor, f/8 autofocus, maybe a slight bump in megapixels (~21ish). I think you could fit all that in and still come in below $2500.

[SCone]

Originally Posted by andyz

While not a deal breaker in any sense, the SD slot can be used by a WiFi card (forgot the name, doesn't matter) and images can also be saved on the CF card. That was one advantage that was less expensive than the wireless transmitter grip. A wireless "unteathered" shoot with images seen on a laptop, desktop or iPad would be fun.

Thought I saw the wireless unit was going to be priced around $250. No idea if it was correct or not.

[iCe]

Originally Posted by Jim Victory

As a 1DsMKIII replacement the 1Dx is a camera I will probably pickup and then sell my 1DsMKIII.

No doubt... the specs look pretty good. Especially the procession power.

I also liked the files from the 1DsMKII better. If it just had a better menu system and battery I would have never upgraded. It just not going to replace my 1DMKIV but it would be a nice backup for non-FL limited shots.

I am 100% with you on this one Jim.

I wonder if their little GPS doodad will work on all EOS cameras or just the new ones?