Airport full nude image scanning

[Tom]

Originally Posted by jgrindal

I understand your point, I really do. You must understand, though, that its easy to say that until you are one of the people who is profiled.

The federal government holds a list of people who stand out (several, actually, but I'm specifically talking about the NICS list). If you are on one of these lists, you go through additional security, generally are interviewed in regards to the reason you are travelling, etc. If you don't answer, they don't let you through. Your bags are always thoroughly searched and rarely repacked in a suitable manner. On occaision, they bring in dogs to sniff you, just to be sure you're OK. You may not object to this search. If you hit the lottery (10%) you get a special "private" search. There is nothing in the world more dehumanizing.

This all takes place while your friends / family / co-workers wait or watch, depending on the airport and the staff working at the time.

There is always the argument of "just drive / walk / train / bicycle / etc" but for business meetings where I can't afford to be travelling for days, or if I wanted to go to Hawaii, or maybe Europe, what then? Boat? We must face facts that as the world has sped up, air travel has become imperative.

I understand that you want security on your airplane. I do too. But is it worth putting people through that? Is it worth going through that?

I've been profiled. And if it prevents a second 9/11, I would be happy to be profiled again. On my way back from the Sudan, I got to have a nice little sit down in Detroit. Then I got to go through extra security for a while after that. It wasn't fun, but I had nothing to hide. And I would be more than happy to go through all that again and again. Obviously, the government giving me a hard time isn't going to save anyone, cause I'm not blowing anything up, but it just isn't that big of a deal.

If 9/11, the USS Cole and the shoe/underwear bombers had all been militant right-wing wackjobs like Tim McVeigh or the Ruby Ridge people, I suspect that white men 18-45 would have to go through their own security area at airports so that they could be screened intently. And no one would have a problem with it.

[Howard Barlow]

Originally Posted by mjdmike

Keep in mind that the TSA policy changes are ongoing, and might be retracted. Also the airlines have some leeway on how they interpret these 'rules', it seems.


I came back from Costa Rica on the 27th. I came back from Russia on the 5th. It was a little rediculous, in my opinion. I don't see where anything other than the patdown would prevent an attack. But I digress...

• I was allowed to carry on my photo gear, and they inspected the backpack at the gate. My camera bag was run through the scanner with no further concern. This is normal procedure.
• Everyone got a patdown search at the gate. No one patted down at the full body scanner, unless they forgot something in their pockets, like my shreiff's dept badge. 75 minute delay because of this.
• There could be nothing stored on the floor -- everything had to be stored overhead. Usual stuff on the floor and overhead. This was a problem for the last to board, as the overhead bins were full. Anything not able to go overhead was taken off the plane and checked.
• No in-flight movie was shown because with this model plane (757-800) the seatbacks have the screen which shows the location of the plane on a map. In theory, a terrorist could see where the plane was located in relation to US soil, so they turned it off. All video offferings, as usual, including the GPS tracking, which is shown on bulkhead screens at all times. Imagine if a really, really smart terrorist simply looked out the window to see US soil. What a concept!
• 1.5 hours before landing they announced that anyone needing to go to the restroom must do it now. Half the people on the plane jumped up and stood in line. At one hour prior, the poor fools still in line had to take a seat. I felt sorry for the young children who needed to go. The whole one hour thing really makes sense, doesn't it? 45 minutes out, they made the announcement everyone had to be seated for last hour, including next item below.
• At one hour prior to landing, everyone had to push their setbacks up, tray tables up, remove blankets and pillows from their lap, and turn off all electronic devices, including laptops, iphones, dvd players. Basically we just sat there like good little citizens.

Hopefully the TSA will see this was a knee-jerk reaction and lift those restrictions, as they do nothing to prevent a terrorist attack.

One of my worries, is that they might eventually restrict carry-on items to just a few essentials, meaning no backpacks or bags. I think the airlines would actually see this as an opportunity to scale down the weight of the plane, as well as force more checked baggage per person - both of which mean more revenue.

Everything depends on the country of origin and the particular airline. We flew Singapore for the first time, as they fly nonstop Houston to Moscow. Excellent airline. Almost as good as Emirates.

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I have an artistic concept based on this that I would like to construct, but I fear that I will never have enough money to do it, and I fear that someone else is going to do it. I want to do it! It's my toy! I've been working on related ideas for more than a decade!

[StevenGWebb]

Frankly its a lot of smoke and mirrors. We have an un-attended gate at D/FW that was wide open for an hour and a half. Within a week we get a report that an individual who once tried to get past the TSA and was told to leave the area, but who did not, hung around and went under a cordon while the security guard stepped away for a minute and a half. In that same story we find out the TSA's own closed circuit camera was not working and had not been for three days. The video footage [did you see how high quality?] was provided the airline's own camera. Its quite obvious that the TSA is not taking all this terror watch seriously.

The president of the United States of America in an address points out clearly that the intellegence [why is it called that?] was in place and the guy with the explosive BVDs should have been clearly identified. We just failed to connect the dots. Now there are even overtones that blazing britches might have been associated with the gunman at Ft. Hood.

Obviously, all this un-connected information was in hand without the use of full body scanners. We had this guy on the radar long before he entered the airport. So how will yet another more invasive scare tactic security measure help? Has it not been made clear that any time there is a problem, the governments response hasn't anything to do with the problem?

We are fighting three wars with esentially invisible enemies. The public explanation is that we are trying to liberate citizens of countries and bring to them the civil liberties and human rights afforded in the USA. All the while we are loosing our own and the very Constitution of the nation is being trod underfoot. How is this happening?

"Extrodinary times call for extrodinary measures" is the battle cry. The best way to to have a crisis response is to create a crisis. How many times do we now hear each week that some really bad thing has reached crisis levels? When our national security is at stake we aren't so likely to protest having civil liberties curtailed. Who bastardized the term "national security" to include or mean "national interest". Our national interest in the Middle East is the flow of oil coming out of that region. The national security that is at risk is our ability to control that flow. Who just became the #1 automobile purchasing country in the world? That's right, China. Who's going to have a thrist for more oil than the USA? Right again, China. Who has a very huge chunk of American debt? Three for three, China. And who keeps sending us inferior and dangerous products through an unchallenged trade arrangement? Final four winner, China.

No, body scans aren't going to do anything to combat terrorism. Wire tapping, netwrok survelance, CIA spooks, TSA authroities and the alphabett soup of bureaus haven't. But they certainly have caused us to accept the hi-jacking of our civil rights, liberties and constitutional form of government.

We have kids graduating high school who cannot think. They can pass a state mandated exit exam. The only thing they are prepared to do, and then marginally, is to attend college. We're so busy sidelined by condom hand-outs and what to do with the generation of babies being born to high school students and how to place daycare in high school so the state can continue its influence that we aren't teaching kids to think. If our youngsters are paralized between the ears, apathetic about politics and know nothing but how to line up with the rest of the lambs, willing to go to slaughter, then we will soon not have adults smart enough to know they are being controlled.

Recently yet another law was passed to protect us from our own ignroance. Folks, tanning beds are unhealthy. If they pose a public health risk they should be summarily removed. Apparently, they are only hazerdous to those younger than 16. If you don't have a problem with your 16 yr old bronzing up a little you'll have to sign a permission slip. Bet ya $10 that slip will be used against you in the event that kid develops skin cancer. Why was this law enacted? Was it so the govt could refuse to treat the potential skin cancer later in life or so the parent could be civilly penalized for being a bad parent? Nope. Those things are real possibilities though. The answer is that something exists that the common citizen is not educated enough to make a concious decision about. The legislature being all wise and all knowing will decide what is best for the poor ignorant society they have chosen to create.

With each chip taken away at your rights, with each foot wipe on the US Constitution the citizens will be subtly turned into loyal subjects of the new world order.

Bye bye Miss American Pie, we hardly knew ye.

[Some Idiot]

Originally Posted by StevenGWebb

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With each chip taken away at your rights, with each foot wipe on the US Constitution the citizens will be subtly turned into loyal subjects of the new world order.

Bye bye Miss American Pie, we hardly knew ye.

Great commentary

[shutterfire]

Go ahead just insert the biometric chips into the right hand of every one. Eliminate passports, no need you have a chip, the chip should include a GPS tracking device and contain an electric charge that would react like a stun gun. If On Star can shut off the Tahoe when its stolen then integrate it for people. The chips could be inserted at birth then you would not remember that its painfull, No More child abductions (GPS). (is this where we are headed? One positive note it will be easier to add nudes to your portfolio because they already do them for security at the airport.

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BTW there is a news story where they polled 2000+ people and women and men were pretty much in equal agreement that the scans would be just fine Poll: Big majority favors airport scanners - UPI.com though a few more females than males were bothered by it.

[ChristopherCoy]

I just wanted to say that I have edited all of my posts in this thread. After some discussion via PM, with another member who has posted on this thread, I realize how ignorant, and generalized my statements were. I have also requested via PM that everyone who quoted me edit those quotes. I do apologize to anyone whom I have offended, but rest assured, one certain member has made me think about what I said, which has led to change of opinion.

[Brains]

FWIW, I think you should have left your posts intact, and simply came back to show how your POV changed over the course of the discussion. It shows you're man enough to let people see your view change over the course of the discussion, which usually garners much more respect than deleting posts you might not like now. Not to mention, forums persist information for a reason, as future folks will read through the thread from start to finish and learn from it. By going back and altering/deleting your posts, the context of the conversation is lost or at the least changes, and future folks won't benefit from the discussion the way the original folks have. Just something to think about.

[RKDauph]

Originally Posted by Angelo

But I haven't flown in the last 4/5 weeks and would appreciate hearing from someone who has after Dec 25th. What did they encounter going on a domestic and/or international flights. Another major problem is coming back with the equipment, especially from international points ( I would image every country may be different).

I have flown from DFW 3 times since Christmas - ATL, DCA and PHX with camera gear, other than two TSA agents commenting on the 'nice gear' after seeing it only through the scanner at the security checkpoint, I've had no problems.