Floyd Landis Comes Clean and ...

[srwatters]

Accuses most of the American team (including Armstrong) of doping.

Report: Landis admits doping and fingers Armstrong - Yahoo! News

Form your own opinion, but to me it looks like sour grapes. However, I seriously doubt cycling can recover from the mess it's created for itself. I have little interest in watching the TDF any more. Sad because in the Armstrong years, I was rabid for it.

[johnastovall]

I fail to see a problem with this. The machines are engineered for maximum performance so why shouldn't the riders be bio-engineered for the same. This goes for any sport.

Better performance with biochemistry.

[srwatters]

If the rules allowed it, then I won't disagree. The problem is that it is expressly against the current rules as well as when the times he's accusing Armstrong et.al.

[Howard Barlow]

Don't follow TDF, or any sports. However, we know many top performers do use 'performance enhancements', though I doubt all do. OTOH, when peeps admit to wrongdoing, some seem to find comfort in accusing others, truth notwithstanding. I don't have any idea about who is doing what in this situation, but 'misery loves company' comes to mind.

[janikphoto]

My brother-in-law was very close to Landis, and his viewpoint makes it hard to tell what was the truth. Apparently, he saw a few things that could've pointed to Armstrong taking illegal substances. On the other side, he saw a very frustrated and bitter Landis, because he was owed a lot of money, and Armstrong kept trying to screw him over. Even these people close to the story could point to several things on both sides of the fence, making the truth a little cloudy...

[Wil_Bloodworth]

I'm not presuming to judge why athletes take illegal drugs. I'm sure they have their reasons and until we're walking in their shoes, we probably can't understand their point of view. That doesn't make it right, I'm just saying I understand they probably have their own good reasons for doing so.

- Wil

[photonewb]

it's been a nasty subject of debate for many years...it won't be going away

[Carl Stone]

The reasons for not using drugs in this circumstance are that the riders are representing my country to the world, and their actions encourage younger people to follow suit. That's enough right there, and there's more.

[Flea77]

Landis: "I didn't dope! I didn't dope! OK, fine, I doped, but so did he! My manager used mind control.... um .... it was a government conspiracy ... no wait ..... it was the Taliban, yeah, that's it, the TALIBAN!"

Allan

[danchez]

Zzzzzzz It's gotten to the point to where I don't care anymore. It's not effecting me or mine. I don't do it, I don't condone it, I just don't care. If the athletes want to take these drugs and damage their bodies, so be it. A lot more things out there that I am concerned about. Repeat DWI offender gets life in prison for murder.

This guy has 8 previous DWI convictions, why in the hell was he driving? We need a three strikes your out policy. 1st DWI - 5 days jail - 6 month license suspension - $5,000 fine. 2nd DWI - 30 days jail - license revoked forever, car seized by the police - $25,000 fine. 3rd DWI - life in prison.

[Dobick]

Originally Posted by danchez

Zzzzzzz It's gotten to the point to where I don't care anymore. It's not effecting me or mine. I don't do it, I don't condone it, I just don't care. If the athletes want to take these drugs and damage their bodies, so be it. A lot more things out there that I am concerned about. Repeat DWI offender gets life in prison for murder.

This guy has 8 previous DWI convictions, why in the hell was he driving? We need a three strikes your out policy. 1st DWI - 5 days jail - 6 month license suspension - $5,000 fine. 2nd DWI - 30 days jail - license revoked forever, car seized by the police - $25,000 fine. 3rd DWI - life in prison.

Off the subject of the original post, but I can say with almost absolute certainty that everyone who has ever been convicted of a DWI/DUI did not get caught every single time that they broke this law, meaning they have done it at least one other time and either didn't get caught or had a cop cut them a break (and usually they have made a habit of it by the time they do get caught) If I had 10 bucks for everytime I drove intoxicated and didn't get caught, I could have paid off all of the fine and court costs and lawyers fees for the time that I did get caught, and had a bit of money left over! so to get caught 8 times?????? He is better off locked away where he can no longer hurt anyone, and maybe actually sober up for once in his life. But it doesn't matter -- his life was over years ago, he just didn't realize it.

[DSL_PWR]

Someone always has to take someone else down with them. Can't ever just man up and admit the issue..

[Hanky]

I can't think of anyone who hated to see Lance win more than the French who tested him relentless. Seems unlikely to me that Lance could have pased their test while cheating. The man did some remarkable things and the trend lately is to trash folks whom are successful. Now days anytime I hear an accuser my first thought is what agenda may be involved.

[Carl Stone]

Originally Posted by Hanky

I can't think of anyone who hated to see Lance win more than the French who tested him relentless. Seems unlikely to me that Lance could have pased their test while cheating. The man did some remarkable things and the trend lately is to trash folks whom are successful. Now days anytime I hear an accuser my first thought is what agenda may be involved.

First, I don't really know squat about sports doping, aside from the fact that it happens. But, if you look around, technology is ever advancing. The crooks are very often only few steps ahead of the authorities, and the abilities of both continues to grow. As soon as the authorities find a way to detect a new drug, it's replaced with one that is not yet detectable, ad infinitum.

If it was up to me, and as it turns out damn little is, there would be a level playing field, but we all know that is not the case any longer. There's too much money involved not to cheat to get, or keep, your edge. So, you must cheat just to be a contender. That is a sad state of affairs, and why I ignore sports, with very few exceptions.

[Carl Stone]

It just dawned on me that the thread title was not quite complete. I'll fill in what was left out.

"Floyd Landis Comes Clean, by admitting that he was dirty" So, WTH does he think that entitles him to? (That's rhetorical)