Man won't submit to body scan; TSA won't let him fly

[Fireball]

Don't know if I'd have the gall to do what this young man did, but I applaud him.

Man won't submit to security, TSA won't let him fly. Who's right? - SignOnSanDiego.com

[Hanky]

I'm so sorry but I want everybody on my plane totally searched and sorry for the pervs. that work for TSA but there are too many kookoo types trying to board a plane.

[robert t]

Well he can take the train or the bus.

[rwwright]

keep him off my plane please

[ka5txl]

I don't fly anymore, why because the 4th ammendment means something to me. I guess it doesn't mean too much to others who are willing to fly and be treated like sheep.
How many of you are willing to submit to these type's of searches to walk down the street, ride a bike, ride the bus, train, subway, drive a rental vehicle. If anyone were to be subjected to these types of searches just because they engaged in these activites they outraged. And yet they will gladly give up protections afforded them just to fly

[robert t]

Well since trains, plains and buses are private owned they(the company reps) can search you when get on their property even if the government does not. If another person were to get on a plane and takes control and fly it into a building, some of the same ones that complain about the searches would be screaming why didn't the government stop this.

I think I have a solution.

So lets pull all of the TSA out of the airports, stop all the screening and searching and have each passenger sign a waiver that covers them (the passenger) all relatives or interested parties in the passenger that releases the government, the airline and all those associated with air travel of any liability resulting in a domestic or foreign terrorist activity. It might require having the potential traveler do all the waivers in advance and keep them on file with each airline they travel on.

I am sure some layer could develop the appropriate legal form the would keep the airline and government from legal action.

[ka5txl]

Robert it's not the private industry doing the the search, It's the goverment that's doing it. And they don't have probable cause to subject and search everybody who uses that mode of transportation just because they want to use that form of transportation.

[Shane]

If you do not want to be searched, then don't use that private form of transportation . . . I will take the search and stay in one piece.

[ngoduyviet]

Statistically, you are less likely to be killed by a terrorist on an airplane than driving to or from the airport.

Originally Posted by Shane

If you do not want to be searched, then don't use that private form of transportation . . . I will take the search and stay in one piece.

The TSA is the government middle man. They don't own anything.

[ka5txl]

Originally Posted by Shane

If you do not want to be searched, then don't use that private form of transportation . . . I will take the search and stay in one piece.

Ah there you have it. It's private form of transportation but IT'S A GOVERMENT MANDATED search/scan/pat down just because you wish to use that form of transportation which is unreasonable.

"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety" - Benjamin Franklin

[robert t]

Originally Posted by ka5txl

Robert it's not the private industry doing the the search, It's the goverment that's doing it. And they don't have probable cause to subject and search everybody who uses that mode of transportation just because they want to use that form of transportation.

Agreed but the nation has placed (demanded) the requirement to keep air travel safe on the the Fed's.

So go with the solution.

Wave your right to fill suite on the airline if something should happen we agree not to expect the goverment to provide safe air travel. The public takes their chances in the sky and we get ride of another goverment agency, we will save money.

Or require the airline to provide the security, scanning, searches and pay the extra high prices to cover the cost. That might work also afer all it is there plane.

[robert t]

Here is another solution.

Segregated flights. Search and non-searched. You pick you flight of course, still required to sign covenant not to sue of on the non-searched flight.

[ptrd]

I guess it's a touchy subject as:

1. I think the guy in the story obviously had the intention of refusing if it was there.
2. Possibly illegally recorded the whole thing
3. I agree we are way overprotective for one form of transportation
4. If you feel unsafe flying unsearched people, I feel sorry for you as you drive everyday.

[ngoduyviet]

Originally Posted by robert t

Here is another solution.

Segregated flights. Search and non-searched. You pick you flight of course, still required to sign covenant not to sue of on the non-searched flight.

I like this solution. I'd be the first one to sign the form not to sue anyone. You can't sue anyone when you are dead. But your family can :)

In all seriousness though, I think the airlines would do as good if not a better job to keep everyone safe than the TSA. They have to protect their customers, if not, who's going to fly them? Every single terrorist incident we read about have been stopped/prevented by the passengers, not the TSA.

[ChristopherCoy]

Refuse the search if you want to... leave the airport if you are told to.... but THIS is what I have a severe problem with.

"The investigation could lead to prosecution and “civil penalties” of up to $11,000, he said."


So now we get fined $11K for refusing to take a search and leaving the airport as told? REALLY? WTF?