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A policeman who knows how to act. - 07-22-2011, 10:49 AM


I'm sure this will cause a stir. I've read so many threads about police officers acting like Gestapo troopers. It doesn't need to be that way.
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07-22-2011, 12:10 PM


I am shocked it went that well....
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07-22-2011, 12:17 PM


I hope the cop made that guy feel like a douche.
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07-22-2011, 12:24 PM


This officer was a really nice guy. Then you have the opposite extreme. I apologize in advance for the length.

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07-22-2011, 12:29 PM


Almost seemed staged

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07-22-2011, 12:34 PM


I like that cop! I never had any trouble with the PD. Mostly, don't reach for yours, I won't reach for mine. Jeromy was trying to make a statement and Officer Lions did not fall for it.
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07-23-2011, 06:41 PM


I'd like to see "Jeremy" tazed... and tazed long.

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A policeman who knows how to act. - 07-23-2011, 07:39 PM


First, the title of the post is wrong. He may have been polite, but Jeremy should have gone to jail. He was carrying a pistol in a public place, refused to identify himself, would not produce any identification or a permit for the weapon. He should have been politely arrested.

I would question the officers actions. I guess if he caught a person holding up a business, he would have made him return the money and send him on his way.

I have to agree with one of the previous posters. I think this was staged. This officer claims to have been in the Marines, is a street officers, and does not know how to unload and lock the slide back on the pistol.

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07-23-2011, 07:51 PM


Hey Don,

I see your a Canon owner. Does this mean you can 100% operate a Nikon, a Sony, a Kodak, or any other camera outside of Canon right there on the spot?

Police officers, like the military have a standard weapon for which they are only trained for. It does not always mean that every PO can fully operate another weapon. Not mention that people can and quite OFTEN DO have their firearms CUSTOM made!
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First, the title of the post is wrong. He may have been polite, but Jeremy should have gone to jail. He was carrying a pistol in a public place, refused to identify himself, would not produce any identification or a permit for the weapon. He should have been politely arrested.
If the officer did not observe a crime being committed the person is not required to produce ID or permit.

I have a permit to carry and was stopped once. When the rookie officer tried to be a jackass I requested his supervisor who informed him the stop was not valid since he (the rookie officer) did not observe a crime being committed by me therefore I was not required to comply..

You are only required to comply when the officer observes you committing a crime or he/she pulls you over after seeing you break a traffic law..

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I would question the officers actions. I guess if he caught a person holding up a business, he would have made him return the money and send him on his way.
No reason to question the officers actions here per my response above.

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I have to agree with one of the previous posters. I think this was staged. This officer claims to have been in the Marines, is a street officers, and does not know how to unload and lock the slide back on the pistol.
It may have been staged..

These new weapons work differently than the ones we used in the Military. My first Glock had me stumped for a few minutes and I grew up around guns..

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Jeremy should have gone to jail. He was carrying a pistol in a public place,
There are many places in this country where you can openly carry. This statement discredits your entire response.

Because a citizen knows his/her rights and makes a decision to exercise them does not make them a criminal. An officer who knows the rights of citizens and does not choose to abuse his authority should be applauded and not ridiculed.

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A policeman who knows how to act. - 07-23-2011, 10:40 PM


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Hey Don,

I see your a Canon owner. Does this mean you can 100% operate a Nikon, a Sony, a Kodak, or any other camera outside of Canon right there on the spot?

Police officers, like the military have a standard weapon for which they are only trained for. It does not always mean that every PO can fully operate another weapon. Not mention that people can and quite OFTEN DO have their firearms CUSTOM made!
In response to your question, the answer is yes. At one time or another I have used more than just a canon brand camera. The answer is the same as far as most firearms as I carried and used a variety of them for 41 years.

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07-24-2011, 01:26 AM


Wow Don, too bad not everyone including PO's, are as well versed in firearms as you!

Seeing as how this must be true, then I am totally shocked that you, a Texas man, who once carried a variety of firearms, would believe that a man should have been "polity arrested" for his own right to carry.

I open carry a 40mm P226R here in Colorado and I'm often polity pulled to the side by the Police. I have never been treated unfairly! The PO I run into often DO ask me to pull my slide open to make sure that I do not have a round in the chamber.

There could be numerous reasons for this. They don't know my firearm, maybe they're lazy and don't want to open my firearm themselves, perhaps they want to see how I handle myself. Who knows...
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> A policeman who knows how to act. - 07-24-2011, 09:06 AM


I guess that's the difference between Colorado and Texas. In Texas you must have a "concealed handgun permit" issued by the state and the handgun must be concealed. The issued permit looks very similar to the state issued driver's license. The permit holder's Texas drivers license also has a code on the reverse side indicating that they are issued the handgun permit. Most of the instructors I know in Texas that give the required classes as mandated by the State of Texas, advise their applicants who are stopped by any law enforcement officers, to advise the officer of their permit if they are armed. If they are armed, they must have the permit.

You are correct in your assumption of my knowledge of most handguns. I made it a point to be knowledgeable in regards to handguns. Throughout my career, I made it a point to attended as many firearm classes, combat training courses, and armory schools as possible.

I have been retired for six years and still carry a handgun daily. I do not have a Texas handgun permit but carry under the authority of the State of Texas as a retired peace officer. I also qualify in a combat course yearly to maintain this license as well as a license under Chapter 44, Title 16 0f the USC, Section 926C which authorizes me to carry a handgun in any State of the United States.

My comments regarding the original post were based on what probably would have happened in Texas. Carrying a handgun openly in public without identification and especially without a State issued permit would, and should, under the laws here, land you in jail. If, later it was determined that you did have a permit, the arresting agency would probably request that the State revoke your license to carry. In Texas your ability to carry a concealed handgun is a privilege, not a right.

If the recorded incident was based on the laws in your State, I would say that the officer did all he could under your laws.

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07-24-2011, 11:38 AM


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I have to agree with one of the previous posters. I think this was staged. This officer claims to have been in the Marines, is a street officers, and does not know how to unload and lock the slide back on the pistol.

Most cops use Glocks, which have no safeties. This particular S&W has a trigger safety that locks the slide closed. I'm pretty sure the cop could have figured this out, but he looked kinda nervous in general and might have been a bit confused as a result.

Unrelated, I heard the cop say Oceanside PD. The only Oceansides I could find are in CA, FL & NY, neither of which allow carry without a permit and the cop has the right to demand it.

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