I am floored with the lack of respect.

[Rson]

Is it so hard to keep someone's word? Does someone's affirmation, reputation here, and pledge to buy something not enough for you to keep an extra 9 hours so I can let some vicodine wear off enough to come and pay cash.

Thanks for F-ing me over.

[arich]

I feel you, I also had an agreement to purchase something on here and went to a lot of trouble to work out the sale and then the seller decided he wanted more money. Guess it's just the danger of doing business with people :shrug:

[hdctx]

Happened to me once trying to buy a 1967 Camaro. Seller said no one could come till Saturday, and Friday the car was gone. Had cash in hand too.

[Jim Victory]

Originally Posted by Rson

Is it so hard to keep someone's word? Does someone's affirmation, reputation here, and pledge to buy something not enough for you to keep an extra 9 hours so I can let some vicodine wear off enough to come and pay cash.

Thanks for F-ing me over.

If I had a dime for every person that pledged or affirmed to buy something from me and didn't I would be a rich man. I can't count the number of times I have waited on payment that never came or gone to meet someone in person that didn't show up.

Is the reputation your referring to your 0 itrader rating?

I'm not trying to imply your not trustworthy but there is always another side to a story. In any transaction the seller has a right to do what he or she wants and you as a buyer have a right to not do business with a seller if you don't like their business practices.

Sometimes deals don't work out and it is best to just let it go and move on. There is always another deal around the corner.

[hdctx]

Jim, The guy posted a rant, and deliberately did not identify the seller. What do you gain by posting a response laying all the blame on his shoulders for the failed transaction? There are as many examples of unethical sellers as there are unethical buyers, in fact, there are probably far more. While the seller has no responsibility to hold an item, if they commit to do so, they should uphold their commitment. An iTrader rating just tells us whether a buyer is an active one. I also have a zero iTrader rating, but I've spent thousands on eBay in the past sixty days, and earned a 100% positive buyer rating. Interestingly a seller can earn the same rating even if half his potential buyers walk away from transactions before consummation, because only actual buyers are allowed to post ratings. While helpful, any "rating" system has flaws you can drive a semi through.

[auddii]

Originally Posted by Rson

Is it so hard to keep someone's word? Does someone's affirmation, reputation here, and pledge to buy something not enough for you to keep an extra 9 hours so I can let some vicodine wear off enough to come and pay cash.

Thanks for F-ing me over.

I don't know, I saw the picture, and your knee looks fine. You should have been running over to make the purchase.

Sorry your deal fell through, and hope your knee heals up quickly.

[Rson]

My reputation is 2000+ posts and 38 likes (mostly from helping others here)

[Jim Victory]

Originally Posted by hdctx

Jim, The guy posted a rant, and deliberately did not identify the seller. What do you gain by posting a response laying all the blame on his shoulders for the failed transaction? There are as many examples of unethical sellers as there are unethical buyers, in fact, there are probably far more. While the seller has no responsibility to hold an item, if they commit to do so, they should uphold their commitment. An iTrader rating just tells us whether a buyer is an active one. I also have a zero iTrader rating, but I've spent thousands on eBay in the past sixty days, and earned a 100% positive buyer rating. Interestingly a seller can earn the same rating even if half his potential buyers walk away from transactions before consummation, because only actual buyers are allowed to post ratings. While helpful, any "rating" system has flaws you can drive a semi through.

All you have to do is look at his post to see who he is talking about so saying he didn't identify the person is absurd. He laid all the blame on the seller's shoulders do you think that is right too? As I stated in my post there is always two sides to a story and posting a rant about a sale gone bad isn't the proper way to deal with it.

There is a big difference in a post count on a forum and an itrader count. One shows your an active member of the forum as a whole and the other demonstrates your activity in completing sales or purchases in an ethical or unethical manner. Were talking about the latter and in business it is more important than the other.

A combine participation in the forums and an itrader rating is the optimum credential for consideration. The fact you have spent thousands on ebay has nothing to do with your itrader rating. If your dipleased with someone you don't consummate a transaction with then don't buy or sell to them in the future. If as many such instances occur that you infer then eventually that person won't be able to sell or buy from anyone.

One should be more concerned about being ripped off by a buyer or seller than not getting a deal they wanted. Deals come and go but being ripped off isn't fun. Hopefully at least the itrader system will help in that arena. As always when buying and selling from someone you don't know be careful and watch out for those great deals. Being too good to be true is often a valid assumption.

[hdctx]

Mr Moderator, I may be able to find his purchase thread, but it's not in this message stream, and I'm not interested enough to go to the buy/sell page to track it down.
While I agree that either party here could be in the wrong, I actually misread the tone of your original post. Upon rereading, your comments are perfectly valid. Early this morning before my coffee, I thought you were attacking the guy, and I was wrong. As far as "credentialing" on ebay or Pixtus, it only tracks consummated transactions, meaning sales process issues that don't result in a sale are never shared, for buyer or seller.

Maybe a better solution would have been to simply remove the post as inappropriate, rather than carrying it further. Personally I don't think it's safe anymore to carry cash and buy from strangers, I'd rather buy using PayPal with a credit card where I have some legal protections, not to mention no risk to my battered old body. LOL

[arich]

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[KJ Smith]

Originally Posted by hdctx

Mr Moderator,

Jim has every right to speak as a member.

He is not acting as a moderator anywhere in this thread.

Look at his ITrader rating..... He speaks from experience.

Originally Posted by hdctx

Maybe a better solution would have been to simply remove the post as inappropriate,

I don't see anything inappropriate.

You pointed out that he is not naming the other member.

He is expressing his personal frustrations.

[Jim Victory]

Originally Posted by hdctx

As far as "credentialing" on ebay or Pixtus, it only tracks consummated transactions, meaning sales process issues that don't result in a sale are never shared, for buyer or seller.

This is true but there is no avenue on this forum, or any other forum, to report misunderstandings or disagreements in nonconcluded transactions. The main point of the itrader system is to track the level of satisfaction with transactions that actually occur.

There are no other levels of protection for the buyer or seller other than this rating. Using paypal and a credit card for payment helps the buyer to some extent but not the seller if a bogus credit card was used and paypal hits you with a chargeback.

E-bay has various levels of protection for buyers and sellers that Pixtus doesn't have but you can still get burned by a hacked account. You have to be careful when dealing with anyone you don't know and any information, or rating system, that will help with that is better than none.

[hdctx]

agreed Jim, and so many people here know each other, it's bound to be safer

[bryanlindsey]

Lack of respect? It's everywhere. The President of the United States gives a speech and a congressperson holds up a sign like he's at a football game?

I'm not surprised by anything anymore.

[iCe]

Originally Posted by bryanlindsey

Lack of respect? It's everywhere. The President of the United States gives a speech and a congressperson holds up a sign like he's at a football game?

I'm not surprised by anything anymore.

Now there's an interesting ricochet...

Well done Jim. While I understand Rich's frustration I applaud your diplomacy.