Disorderly student get's tazer treatment.

[Terrancelee]

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...eatedly_video/

Hadn't heard about this til I ran across it on the net tonight. Personally, I think he got what he deserved.

[janetg]

wow, i took the time to read ALL of the responses....

now setting aside what i think about it....and i'll avoid telling you so we don't do that bad political thing here on this forum...

one thing that just strikes me is how divided people are. there doesn't seem to be any middle ground in this argument.

are there really no people left in the world that are "in the middle"? i consider myself conservative, but i often see a valid point made by liberals. If I were a liberal, i would have to concede there are valid points made by conservatives.

now i'll tell you what i think - he should have left - he should have had his id - he shouldn't have dropped to the ground and started screaming before anything happened. in my opnion, he was looking for the situation to escalate - and it did. unforutately, he didn't like the turn it took.

with all the troubles this day and age - the police officers more often than not - (meaning, they aren't always 100% right, but i do believe they TRY to do the right thing) looking out for the general safety of the public. Who was to say this guy was not up to something malicious? bombs, threats, all kinds of things could have been up this guy's sleeve... if you want to be treated well, follow the rules. the police officers weren't asking him to jump 5 feet high, they asked him to leave...to stand up. he was capable and chose not to.

don't flame me - form your own opinon...i'm entitled to mine. and don't expect to be called on the carpet for it.

[exposedmedia]

Wow that was crazy, I could give my opinion but why? All i can say is watch it and this thread will probably be closed very soon.

[NathanJK]

Wow, I think the kid was REALLY stupid...but so were the police, not that that suprises me. Being as they could have easily handled him without a taser (ie: they should have thrown him on the ground, cuffed him and dragged him out of there kicking and screaming) I think they took the wussy...and kinda mean way out. Funny enough, I'd have had much less of a problem with what they did if they had just bashed him in the shin with a baton and then dragged him out, instead they decided to publicly humiliate him. What they did with the taser was just deameaning and cruel.

[jeffkohn]

I just love the way he alternates between spewing obscenities and screaming like a little girl.

[Rick Waldroup]

Yeah Jeff, THAT was funny. I don't see any reason why this thread will be locked. I am as liberal as they come, but this kid was a nut case. The cops absolutely did the right thing here. I've had a few encounters with police officers over the years and the one thing you learn very quickly is that you are not doing yourself any favors by giving them a hard time. No matter how much you think you might be in the right- being uncooperative and giving them a hard time is not the way to go.

If you really think you are being mistreated by the cops, you take care of that later. But arguing, screaming obscenities, and so on only pisses them off and rightly so. In other words, you have to pick and choose your battles. He should have gone quietly, and if he really thought he was mistreated- THEN contact the police department, lodge a complaint, contact the media if you want- but never. ever give the guys in blue a hard time. You cannot win that battle.

[bullsparade]

Just a quick resposne to a question Janet posed,"Are there really no people left who are in the middle?"

The majority is the middle, unfortunately the middle tends to not weigh in on the problems. It doesnt effect them directly so they remain on the sideline. Maybe thats why its called the "middle". The only problem I see with this (not weighing in) is at some point in the future something will impact them directly as a result of thier silence and then it will polarize them to one side or the other.

[Digital Prophet]

Originally Posted by bullsparade

Just a quick resposne to a question Janet posed,"Are there really no people left who are in the middle?"

The majority is the middle, unfortunately the middle tends to not weigh in on the problems. It doesnt effect them directly so they remain on the sideline. Maybe thats why its called the "middle". The only problem I see with this (not weighing in) is at some point in the future something will impact them directly as a result of thier silence and then it will polarize them to one side or the other.

I completely agree with Bull on the "middle". The "liberal majority" and "moral majority" and "christian majority" and any other majority are really just splinter factions of society as a whole. However they are the vocal factions.

I have said it time and again, the minority rules.

As for the video itself I think several things:

1. I too would like to see the footage of what occurred before the "tazing".
2. What this kid's and the police agenda really were. That is to say was he a malcontent looking to cause a problem? Were they unltra-patriots looking for a "threat"? But of course we will never know.
3. It is so pathetic that we have reached such a luxurious state of sloth that not only do half of Americans have the ability to whip out a video recording device to capture every random act of another person on tape, but that this kind of nonsense makes its way out of its own community to become a matter of national interest.

It seems that the American dream of owning a home has fallen by the wayside. And the dream that pushed it over? Doing something outlandish so that it can be caught on video and land on YouTube so that the nation will pay attention and you can get your 15 seconds of fame and maybe some cash.

Mark my words: In the near I see talk shows, a lawsuit and possibly a tell all book along with "outrage" from several organiztions that have nothing to do with the matter and never met the kid.

But I pretty much think he got what he wanted. Sorry, that's just how I roll.

Prophet out.

[rages4calm]

I've seen this about a 100 times, I can't say I would take a side considering both the student and the UCLA security were in the wrong. It's a screw up between both.
The kid should of followered orders and the security should of took better measures then giving him an electrical shock therapy.

[Mike G]

Originally Posted by Digital Prophet

1. I too would like to see the footage of what occurred before the "tazing".
2. What this kid's and the police agenda really were. That is to say was he a malcontent looking to cause a problem? Were they unltra-patriots looking for a "threat"? But of course we will never know.
3. It is so pathetic that we have reached such a luxurious state of sloth that not only do half of Americans have the ability to whip out a video recording device to capture every random act of another person on tape, but that this kind of nonsense makes its way out of its own community to become a matter of national interest.

I've seen a couple reports and they all match so it's likely true. The Library has a students only policy after 11pm, the officers asked him for ID along with everyone else and he refused, became belligerent, layed down and started throwing a hissy fit about his civil rights and not having to show ID (he is s student but didn't have his ID on him) .. the reports all said this went on for roughly 2 minutes before the video started with the officers the entire time telling him he had to get up and show ID or leave the library. Tasing him caused less damage to him than a nightstick by far (the old way of pain induced compliance) and less damage than subduing with force and joint locks then cuffing/dragging could have caused.

The kids agenda was civil disobedience, not from the time he entered the library of course, but from the time the altercation began. The officers were just trying to enforce campus policy and it went from there.

[iCe]

Homie didn't get enough spankings when he was a kid...

[Rick Waldroup]

If his agenda was civil disobedience then he went about it completely the wrong way. If that was truly his intention, then he should have told the cops that. He should have told them that he did not agree with the school or the police policy, sit his butt down, and tell the cops that he was protesting and would not resist arrest, and they would have carried him out like any other protester demonstrating an act of civil disobedience.

[darktiger]

In before the lock :)

[Mike G]

I agree Rick ... I do think maybe the cops tased him 1 to many times also though, the last one he was cuffed, but I can't say for sure if it was deserved or not, the video was blocked the entire time so all you saw was other people and heard the conversation/tasing

[Rick Waldroup]

Yeah Mike, it appears the cops went a little overboard. But like you said, it is hard to tell exactly what all went on from the video.

Here is some food for thought. I shot the Halliburton protest in OK back in May. The ARA guys showed up beating drums, wearing masks, and so on. I struck up a conversation with one of the kids and he told me that the Martin Luther King way of civil disobedience was dead. He said the pacifist way of protesting was not effective any more, that it did absolutely nothing in the way of change. Thus you have this more militant or more radical or violent way of protesting. He and his group felt this was the only way to get their message across.

Whether that is right or wrong- I don't know. It just shows how times have changed when it comes to stuff like this.