Know anything about the Army Nat. Guard?

[HotHolly]

I was wondering if anyone knows anything about the Army Nat. Guard? Maybe good resources for deployed guard? My friends hubby was deployed at the end of his enlistment term, which expired a year ago. He's still deployed and they extended him another year.

A bunch of it (and little things I didn't want to say in here) sound odd to me. I'm not an army brat or buff by any means, but thought some of you might be able to help me point this woman in the right direction. Is she just screwed? I didn't think they could keep Guard forever...but maybe I'm wrong.

I looked on the Army Guards website and couldn't find anything. Any tips, or help would be appreciated.

[adirty1]

yeppers he's gone till they tell him he can come back.
they can call you back till you hit the age limit and if they need too they can change that. once your in you in...

[Briones1208]

adirty1 is very right. My brother has been in the Army and National Guard. Even when your time is up they can still call you back. Once a soldier always a soldier. I believe my brother said it was on the paper when you first sign that they can call you back even years after your time is up. You sign so they can do it.

[JamesB]

depending on how you chose to sign up when you first enlist will determine that.

usually most people sign up for 4 years, do their time and get out.

BUT what is written in the fine print is what they never tell you. You actually have to serve 8 years of service.

its tricky and hope i can explain it well enough.

when I did my 4 years thats called "active duty". I did my 4 years and got out. BUT I had another 4 years of "Inactive duty" to complete. Which means at any time during my "Inactive duty" they can call me back up for service. Luckily I'm WAY past that and too old to be called back. Plus I would not answer the phone if they did call

a lot of people who go in to the national guard usually do 2 years of active duty and then they have 2 years of reserves, but STILL have another 4 years of inactive duty. Or they can mix it up and do the active and reserve time in a number of ways. but you still have an 8 year obligation to fulfill

during a time of war is when all this inactive duty comes into play. And since your friends husband time was almost up, they just activated him to keep him in there.

it sucks, but once you sign the papers and take the oath you are government property and they can do with you what they want.

James

[Steelsun]

When you are "in" they can keep extending you.

As James said, "Inactive" can be activated easily also.

I Joined the Reserves with the 6/2 plan - 6 years Reserves, 2 years Inactive.
But my 6th anniversary came while I was active for Desert Storm (I was pulled out of college and activated when the Storm started, and spent over a year Active in the army due to it). So I was kept active until the Pres at that time started to let the Reserves and NGs demobilize. By the time I got back to my Reserve unit, was demobilized down to Reserve status, and had my paperwork finished for GOTA (Gettin Out of The Army), my 2 years of Inactive were also up. I did not reup (no chance for a NCOS slot for a white male at that time).

[adirty1]

my father was inactive for years and called back up then was active for 20 more years.
you never know what's going to happen the only thing that can get you out is not making grade by a certain time or getting to a certain age...

hell they dont even have to pay you if the dont want too...

[Bruce M. Morris]

Originally Posted by adirty1

hell they dont even have to pay you if the dont want too...

I think I would like to see what you base this on. If the reserve servicemember is called to active duty, then they are looked on the same as those that are on active duty, according to paygrade.

[Hanky]

I know it is not much consolation for her, but let her know there are much more grateful citizens than can be counted. God bless them and all who answer the call for their sacrafice.

[adirty1]

Originally Posted by Bruce M. Morris

I think I would like to see what you base this on. If the reserve servicemember is called to active duty, then they are looked on the same as those that are on active duty, according to paygrade.

they dont have to pay anyone that signs up... reserver or active.
you are gov poperty you have no rights... you are not protected..

[markfh]

Originally Posted by adirty1

they dont have to pay anyone that signs up... reserver or active.
you are gov poperty you have no rights... you are not protected..

Just out of curiosity what is your source for this information?

[Steelsun]

Originally Posted by adirty1

they dont have to pay anyone that signs up... reserver or active.
you are gov poperty you have no rights... you are not protected..

Sorry, that is BS. A human can't be property (no matter what the Drill Sarges yell at you). Slavery was outlawed in the US.

You are contractually obligated to follow orders, you signed the contract when you joined. You CAN break the contract, and it's one of the few times that breaking a contract can result in prison. But you are not property.

[Bruce M. Morris]

Originally Posted by adirty1

they dont have to pay anyone that signs up... reserver or active.
you are gov poperty you have no rights... you are not protected..

If the military still used pressgangs and serfs to fill the ranks that would almost be believable. However with an all volunteer force (They ALL signed the contracts on their own) you statement just doesnt make any sense.
After 22 years of listening to sea lawyers and other messdeck riffraff, I think it is amusing that you think this but find it reprehensible that you would pass this on to someone as a truism. You still havent identified where you got this information.

[adirty1]

Originally Posted by markfh

Just out of curiosity what is your source for this information?

a father that has 32 years USNR a the end was the commander for the recruiting office in Austin, and a few other places.


service man fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice rather than the civilian tenets of the rule of law.

9. Military personnel cannot exercise all of the civil liberties enjoyed by civilians.

* You do not have the same constitutional rights. Your rights to free speech, assembly, petition, and exercise of individual expression (such as clothing or hairstyle) are restricted. You must follow all orders given to you, whether you agree with them and consider them right or fair.
http://www.afsc.org/youthmil/thinkin...-discharge.htm

[Bruce M. Morris]

Gentlemen,
Before this gets into a political debate on the good and bad of the military, I would like to go back to answering Holly's question.

Holly,
Your friend needs to contact whatever offices/staff that her hubby's unit has in the States. There should be some Family support group or "wives" association that she can keep in contact with. At a minimum the command should have an ombudsman that she can contact who will be able to explain what is going on and answer any questions that she has. I hope that some of this will help.

[Mike G]

Originally Posted by adirty1

a father that has 32 years USNR a the end was the commander for the recruiting office in Austin, and a few other places.


service man fall under the Uniform Code of Military Justice rather than the civilian tenets of the rule of law.

9. Military personnel cannot exercise all of the civil liberties enjoyed by civilians.

* You do not have the same constitutional rights. Your rights to free speech, assembly, petition, and exercise of individual expression (such as clothing or hairstyle) are restricted. You must follow all orders given to you, whether you agree with them and consider them right or fair.
http://www.afsc.org/youthmil/thinkin...-discharge.htm

In other words, based on nothing but hearsay .. k thx move along.