Who/What killed Star Trek?

[Murph]

Rick Berman with his secret cabal desiring to overthrow the socialist-utopia Federation goverment of the week killed the Star Trek franchise. If one man can be said to have killed Star Trek it is Rick Berman. If they had kept believable characters like in TOS (Scotty farts in airlocks, Chekov drinks too much wodka, Kirk gets the clap for the xth time, etc) then the later series would have survived. There was too much Men In Black/Black Helicopter stuff in the Berman era Star Trek for my taste.

[brad]

DS9 (Ron Moore's brainchild) was pretty good.. and TNG was best, sad to say, after Gene's death.

Voyager (although it had its moments few and far between)... and Enterprise just showed how much at a loss for new ideas Berman and Braga were... they were caught up in this time travel/reset switch thing... it became commonplace in Voyager and Enterprise and it became a crutch for weak writing. Do whatever you want.. be as out of character as you want.. we're just gonna hit a reset button at the end of the episode and erase it all.

I have great hope that JJ Abrams will revive it and show that Star Trek itself is not dated or stale.. only B&B were. They could start by actually signing the truly inspired names I've heard for the "big three"

Young Kirk - Matt Damon
Young Spock - Adrien Brody
Young McCoy - Gary Sinese

That last one just floors me... Sinese even LOOKS like a young Deforest Kelly.

[Murph]

I hope so, I hope they keep Berman and Braga far, far away from the new Trek. DS9 was actually pretty good till Berman got ahold of it, and Voyager did well, again, until Berman took control.

[markfh]

Why was Babylon 5 such a great hit? Because it was full of action. Very few of those "touchy feely" episodes. More space battles and intrigue. The good guys won and it had a beginning and an end.

Star Trek like you said went into too much lame writing and too much in the touchy feely crap.

If I want that I'll watch the lifetime channel.

[JamesB]

I watched about 10 minutes of the star trek with the quantum leap guy and did not like it and never watched it again. It just didnt work for me

James

[ndsimm]

when they started getting "enviormentally friendly" that's when they lost me

[brad]

Originally Posted by markfh

Why was Babylon 5 such a great hit?

B5 was a cult hit, not a "great" hit. But yes, it was much better planned with real continuity from episode to episode... things that happened last week had impact this week... at times things that happened 3 or more seasons before had impact this week. Frankly, I'm a huge fan.. I thought it was brilliantly created and is still like nothing that ever was or is on TV... and that includes Lost and Heroes (which I am also a fan of).

DS9 actually seemed to have some real direction at times.. lots of episode arcs that lasted 3, 4, 5, or more episodes... even after B&B got ahold of it... but part of that was they were trying to copy the B5 model into their own space station show. (Don't get me started about how supposedly the creator of B5 approached Paramount with the B5 concept a couple years before DS9.. and he was shown the door... and a year or so later, DS9 was announced.)

There are times that Lost, Heroes, and even the new imagining of Battlestar Galactica give me a feeling that the creators have a general plan in mind... but I don't think its on the scale of B5.

But this thread is about Star Trek... and I still would prefer to watch even a bad episode of Star Trek than much of the stuff on TV these days... I'd sit through Spock's Brain and Turnabout Intruder and the entire first season of Enterprise before I'd watch 5 minutes of American Idol or Survivor....

And I *hate* B&B for what they did to my beloved show.

(geek mode: OFF)

[Stephen H]

The original star trek had it's moments. But to me, it wa something best left alone thereafter. It's kind of like the westerns. A western is okay. A dozen are okay. After a hundred, they get old. And after Hollywood has churned out 10,000 westerns, you just never want to see another one as long as you live. Star Trek is in between that 100 mark and that 10,000 mark, and no amount of good writing or acting is going to get past that hurdle.

[Hanky]

I would watch next gen if they did not ruin it by turning it in to ng v.2 on the whatever that channel is, g spot or g3.

[Ahh!]

Originally Posted by Hanky

I would watch next gen if they did not ruin it by turning it in to ng v.2 on the whatever that channel is, g spot or g3.

The Mrs. and I wholeheartedly agree on that G-wizz channel!

As for the death of things, there's plenty of raw character and story line left in STOS to either prequel it or reintroduce it, James Bond - style. There was nothing wrong with Casino Royale last fall. It was the first movie in a whle that kept my 89 year old mom riveted. But they have to keep the tension between Kirk, the boy scout, and Kirk, the habitual face-sucker, more towards the latter with an edgy style. Kinda Batman-ish but not dark/moody; more the captain/commander must be alone to make the life and death decisions. He turns his lack of life-long soul mate into a devotion for the ship and the mission...

Well, it was great to get THAT out of my system....yeach!

[Wes]

Was never much of a ST fan after TNG ended, with the exception of a faint interest in Voyager from time to time.

The series that has be riveted right now is the Sci-Fi channel's current iteration of Battlestar Galactica. I was never much of a fan of BSG's original series, but this current series just rocks. Who cares if Starbuck is a woman?

[thrumyeyes]

The 1 year long eppisode on the Zendi killed the final Star Trek...

Live long and prosper

[iCe]

Originally Posted by JamesB

I watched about 10 minutes of the star trek with the quantum leap guy and did not like it and never watched it again. It just didnt work for me

James

Q... Q was Qool

[iCe]

The Borg was the finest invention of all of the "Trek's". Q was a close second.

We are Borg
Lower your shields and surrender your ships
Your culture will adapt to service us
Resistance is futile

Sounds like the company that I work for

I hated Voyager...

Didn't watch much DS9

My greatest disappointment was learning enough about physics to realize that conceptually they had a good idea but the reality is... warp speed ain't gonna happen. Sorry Mr. Scott...

[Ahh!]

We've all been enriched by ST and the rest. True story: The Motorola flip phone was Trekkian inspired!

Originally Posted by iCe

Q... Q was Qool

There were a lot to like about the life parallels with Q. How man has perceived and tried to understand a higher power...<<<<WARNING, WARNING, DANGER WILL ROBBINS! DANGER! COULD BE APPROACHING A RELIGIOUS CONTENT>>>>

Speaking religious bans on this site...What is this silly thing all about: or this:
Oh, sorry, another couple of characters (in this case Smiles) with parallels to the religious...I guess you could make a religion out of many things Trekkian. Even Trekkies themselves! My wife and I stopped in on 2 Trek conventions over the years and even the hotel in Vegas. What a hoot! This one guy is decked out as Riker and spellbinding a couple at the bar with his hands swooping in the air apparently describing some battle or maneuver...