Apple's home page

[JohnT]

Has anyone seen Apple's home page today? I think this is the first time I've ever seen them be so openly supportive of such a controversial and political issue.

http://apple.com

[srwatters]

Controversial perhaps, but I don't see the peace prize as political.

[AndrewCCM]

*sigh*

I'd say their statement is pretty political personally. "Bursting with Pride for Al..."

Wipe that nose off Jobs.

[Tom]

Gore is on Apple's board.

[Tom]

Originally Posted by srwatters

Controversial perhaps, but I don't see the peace prize as political.

I disagree.

According to Nobel's will, the Peace Prize should be awarded "to the person who shall have done the most or the best work for fraternity between the nations, for the abolition or reduction of standing armies and for the holding and promotion of peace congresses".

How did Gore do the most or best work for abolition or reduction of standing armies and promotion of peace by making a documentary with documented lies and inaccuracies?

I think this year it was a very political choice.

[johnastovall]

This whole thread appears to violate one the big two forbidden subjects for the "Open Talk" forum.

"Talk about everything here... ABSOLUTELY NO Religion and/or Politics!"

[srdanz]

I think that it is possible to talk about the effects of global warming on everyone without involving politics. In fact, involving politics is what makes the whole topic disgusting while we should be working together towards keeping this planet livable.

Peace prize comes from the attempts to create peace in places where there is none, and preventing future conflicts. The work on reducing global warming directly influences the speed at which we consume resources on Earth, and the longer we have those resources, the longer we will have peace. Once the resources are scarce, the fighting will erupt.

my .02 non-political of course.

[johnastovall]

Peace is political, remember what Clauwitz wrote?

[srdanz]

Originally Posted by johnastovall

Peace is political, remember what Clauwitz wrote?

I think that Von Clauwitz wrote about war, not about peace. It is important to differentiate wars from global unrest in the scenario of depletion of natural resources. It will not be caused by politicians, it will be caused by primal instinct.

Decoupling peace from politics may give peace a bigger chance in the world. Decoupling a global warning from politics may improve a chance for maintaining living conditions on earth.

Unfortunately, most people relate immediately to their favorite party line when they hear about the issue.

What I would like to see is most people thinking about the effect of things they do everyday on the surrounding. Without political background.

For example, when you walk by a store in a strip mall, and it is 105 degrees F in shade outside, and the double open doors to the store that is running A/C with 66 degrees inside, and the cold air brushes off of your face, I'd like for you to think about the energy wasted to produce that effect instead of thinking about how cool it is that we can afford to cool the planet that way. (because you really can't - according to the laws of thermodynamics)
I stand on this soapbox and ask everyone to forget about the political background and do what you can to reduce waste. If you work in a store, close the doors. Don't ask politicians to pass the law forbidding such waste, because then it is politics.

I want this to be conscience-based, not party based thinking.

[JohnT]

Originally Posted by Thomas Campbell

Gore is on Apple's board.

He sure is (just looked it up). That explains the gushing. LOL

[rogerfsmith]

A major court ruling about Gore's Movie has declared that it contains 9 false statements about the environment or related issues. I don't know how multiple falsehoods make for a balance movie about an important subject. Here is a link to a list of false statements in the material.

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....a-17741c0ce749

Cheers,
Roger

[srdanz]

Originally Posted by rogerfsmith

A major court ruling about Gore's Movie has declared that it contains 9 false statements about the environment or related issues. I don't know how multiple falsehoods make for a balance movie about an important subject. Here is a link to a list of false statements in the material.

http://www.hawaiireporter.com/story....a-17741c0ce749

Cheers,
Roger

It would be nicer to post something about the actual court case rather than ranting of some journalist in Hawaii... and if you want to be exact there were 11, not 9 inaccuracies that the British Court had found in the case trying to prevent the movie from being shown in schools...

On the other hand, as I said, try to step out of the political box and think about the wastefulness of all of us and what we do to the environment. You do not need Al Gore to see that, and his contribution that he had won the award for is not the movie. It is the fact that he raised awareness... and as all of us know all so well, you can't raise awareness by publishing something in the journal of Xyz (put your favorite science category here) but by creating something attractive even if all the facts aren't there.

In order to comply to the TPF forum rules, and to my own belief that involving politics does not serve any good purpose in discussions such as this one, I will leave it at this.

Think big, think progressive. Conserve resources while you can.

And watch or don't watch the movies, 60 minutes, CNN, FOX or what not. That's really orthogonal to this problem. But it helps raising awareness that there is one.

[Abel]

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