We're watching you!

[dbphotos]

Glad I don't the internet in China!

http://blogoscoped.com/archive/2007-08-29-n75.html

[KenJulio]

Hmm...I never had any of these buggers come across my mac when I was there in Oct 08 in any of the cities we were in, Hong Kong, Guangzhou, Macau, Shanghai, Nanjiang, Hangzhou.

I guess I wasnt looking for clown porn or something *shrugs*

[David_3]

Just be patient. It's only a matter of time before it happens here in the U.S. And of course, the law makers who try to instigate this type of thing will spew some crap about how "If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything to worry about." Yeah, right.

We're slowly turning into a police state, and it's a damn shame. Next thing you know, the "authorities" will want to put cameras in everyone's home. That's so they can deter criminal and terrorist activity, of course. It's to make our society safer. And who could possibly complain about that? After all, if you aren't doing anything wrong......

[crackhead]

in China, Internet browses you!

[knowimagination]

Originally Posted by David_3

Just be patient. It's only a matter of time before it happens here in the U.S. And of course, the law makers who try to instigate this type of thing will spew some crap about how "If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything to worry about." Yeah, right.

We're slowly turning into a police state, and it's a damn shame. Next thing you know, the "authorities" will want to put cameras in everyone's home. That's so they can deter criminal and terrorist activity, of course. It's to make our society safer. And who could possibly complain about that? After all, if you aren't doing anything wrong......

yeah kind of scary thing to think about... it has a real V for Vendetta vibe to it...

[sandy_ruotolo]

Maybe I'm the forever optimist, but with the first ammendment in place, I don't think it will happen here. I can see if you're on a website looking for ways to build a bomb or ordering large quanities of stuff you're not supposed to be ordering, but no, I don't think so. I guess time will tell.

[Dobick]

Originally Posted by sandy_ruotolo

Maybe I'm the forever optimist, but with the first ammendment in place, I don't think it will happen here. I can see if you're on a website looking for ways to build a bomb or ordering large quanities of stuff you're not supposed to be ordering, but no, I don't think so. I guess time will tell.

this is not an attack on you, but a furtherance of this discussion, but why should I not be able to look up how to make a bomb, or find information on any number of topics on the web? Ordering illegal or controlled materials is another thing entirely, but just the information should not be censored. It should only ever be actions that are illegal, not words and ideas.

[Joe_Lorenzini]

Originally Posted by Dobick

this is not an attack on you, but a furtherance of this discussion, but why should I not be able to look up how to make a bomb, or find information on any number of topics on the web? Ordering illegal or controlled materials is another thing entirely, but just the information should not be censored. It should only ever be actions that are illegal, not words and ideas.

I wonder how many US agencies this statement just popped up on...

[Dobick]

Originally Posted by Joe_Lorenzini

I wonder how many US agencies this statement just popped up on...

I was thinking that as I wrote it.

I guess the only thing that would have made it more ominous if someone had earlier mentioned airplanes and possibly border security in a thread. That would have surely gotten their attention.

[dbphotos]

Originally Posted by Joe_Lorenzini

I wonder how many US agencies this statement just popped up on...

Look up "CARNIVORE".

[Patti Edens]

Originally Posted by Dobick

... but why should I not be able to look up how to make a bomb, or find information on any number of topics on the web? Ordering illegal or controlled materials is another thing entirely, but just the information should not be censored. It should only ever be actions that are illegal, not words and ideas.

Well, as per the current law, you can legally look it up. No problem there. What bothers me is that because of the "sniffer" programs currently being used by the FBI and other law enforcement (successors to Carnivore), if you do, you can get on some FBI watch list by doing something that is perfectly legal.

Heaven help you if they think you are building something based on that info. They will probably storm your house, kill your dogs and who knows what else. (Recent Berwyn Heights Mayor incident - not exactly pertinent, but you get the idea.)

I don't know what the right thing is. I go back and forth between giving up some freedoms and letting Law Enforcement have the extra tools to make me safe, but then when I see the tools being misused, I want freedom back.

[RicknTX]

Darn...that's a scary-enough thought that I think I'm going to spend less time on the net and start interfacing with real people again! <joke!>

Originally Posted by David_3

Just be patient. It's only a matter of time before it happens here in the U.S. And of course, the law makers who try to instigate this type of thing will spew some crap about how "If you aren't doing anything wrong, then you don't have anything to worry about." Yeah, right.

We're slowly turning into a police state, and it's a damn shame. Next thing you know, the "authorities" will want to put cameras in everyone's home. That's so they can deter criminal and terrorist activity, of course. It's to make our society safer. And who could possibly complain about that? After all, if you aren't doing anything wrong......

[johnastovall]

It's already been happening here for a long time, Carnivore, and other programs.

[Coelus]

When you give away your freedom you never get it back without paying a higher price.

[RicknTX]

Dobick...I don't think there are any laws preventing one from looking up that information - assuming it is information that is indeed available on the net. However, doing so will quite possibly make that individual an unwilling and (perhaps) unknowing target for investigations. I doubt that we would prefer that such investigations not be conducted (?) because it is reasonable to assume that unlawful mischief is at hand...just imho...

Originally Posted by Dobick

this is not an attack on you, but a furtherance of this discussion, but why should I not be able to look up how to make a bomb, or find information on any number of topics on the web? Ordering illegal or controlled materials is another thing entirely, but just the information should not be censored. It should only ever be actions that are illegal, not words and ideas.