Lightroom Import Question

[terryturner]

I use Lightroom 1.4 and I'm playing with Beta 2.0. The question is this, how do I import photos from 1.4 to 2.0 and have the photos retain the corrections I've made in 1.4? When I import the selected photos my recent changes in 1.4 are not applied in 2.0. What am I missing?

THANKS!

Terry

[zepp]

Originally Posted by terryturner

I use Lightroom 1.4 and I'm playing with Beta 2.0. The question is this, how do I import photos from 1.4 to 2.0 and have the photos retain the corrections I've made in 1.4? When I import the selected photos my recent changes in 1.4 are not applied in 2.0. What am I missing?

THANKS!

Terry

You can't at this time. Beta 2.0 does not allow upgrading libraries from version 1. The final version of 2 should allow for the library transition from version 1.

Here are the release notes for version 2, in PDF format, you might find useful.

http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/l...leasenotes.pdf

<edit -added release notes link>

[terryturner]

The one feature in version 2.0 I want to use is the ability to print to a JPG file. 1.4 doesn't have that feature. I have photos I've processed in 1.4 I want to import them into 2.0 (with adjustments) just so I can print JPG output.

[txphotog]

At this time it is not possible. Lightroom 2.0 beta is for testing purposes only and Adobe says not to use it for production. When the final version is released you should be able to do what you mention.

[terryturner]

If you try this it works.

Open Lightroom 1.4 and go to:
Edit>Preferences>General>Go to catalog settings

Then:
Metadata>Editing and Automatically write changes into XMP.

Do this in both applications and when you "import photos from disk" processed in Version 1.4 the Develop Settings applied in 1.4 come across to 2.0 with the photo.

Terry

[zepp]

Originally Posted by terryturner

If you try this it works.

Open Lightroom 1.4 and go to:
Edit>Preferences>General>Go to catalog settings

Then:
Metadata>Editing and Automatically write changes into XMP.

Do this in both applications and when you "import photos from disk" processed in Version 1.4 the Develop Settings applied in 1.4 come across to 2.0 with the photo.

Terry

Good find Terry. That seems to work, writing the develop settings to sidecar XMP files which are then read upon import into the newer LR version. It's a little more file creation and upkeep until the new version can read or translate to old library files but you maintain your old develop settings in the long run.

[zepp]

Terry

Now that you have imported some older files into version 2 and played with the print to jpg function have you noticed that the color profile applied to generated jpg is incorrect.

If you open the jpg in Photoshop or another color smart program the color is way off. To correct it I have to assigned the jpg my current monitor profile and then convert it to the desired profile. I'm running windows XP on a color calibrated system.

[terryturner]

Yea, I think I've noticed what you're talking about. When I got home and compared the photo I showed you yesterday to my monitor it was so over saturated and red it wasn't funny. I've been reviewing/changing/messing up my color profiles for most of the night. Just can't seem to get things squared away. I think I need to start back at square one.

Give me a little guidance here:

LightRoom uses the ProPhoto color profile
Canon 40D can be set to aRGB or sRGB
Photoshop can be set to any of the three above or Calibrated

Most non-custom printing I believe uses sRGB
Web output needs to be sRGB

So in your opinion, how should each profile be set to get things working correctly.

40D - aRGB, or sRGB
Lightroom - I assume ProPhoto
Photoshop - ??

Not an easy question I realize.

Terry

[terryturner]

I guess the real issue is my monitor is probably not calibrated correctly. What I see on the monitor prints far to rich and over saturated. I don't have a device to calibrate my monitor correctly, perhaps it's time I invested in one. I'm using a 20" iMac.

Terry

[zepp]

A few questions for you first.

The key to correct color is having each device calibrated. With that said, have you calibrated your monitor?

Are you shooting RAW or JPG in camera?

Are you processing on a MAC or PC?



Comments

If you are shooting RAW in Camera setting the profile in camera doesn't matter since you are working on raw data in your post processing conversion program (Lightroom). Assigning a color profile in camera is only for the camera's on board JPG processor.


In lightroom you can work in any profile you desire and generate your output to the desired destination profile. If you want to maintain the highest color gamut and raw data available for editing in photoshop then generating output in the ProPhoto profile is the way to go. After all your editing is done in Photoshop, and you are ready to generate your output, then is when you convert your source file from the ProPhoto profile to the destination profile. So if your output is Web then you want to convert to SRGB.

If at the beginning in Lightroom your destination is going to be web only with no post processing in Photoshop then you can save conversion steps by just generating the output to SRGB in Lightroom to begin with.

[zepp]

Originally Posted by terryturner

I guess the real issue is my monitor is probably not calibrated correctly. What I see on the monitor prints far to rich and over saturated. I don't have a device to calibrate my monitor correctly, perhaps it's time I invested in one. I'm using a 20" iMac.

Terry

A correctly calibrated monitor goes a long way to eliminate some of the headache in reproducing output. I'm using the Eye One Display Two colorimeter

[terryturner]

Originally Posted by zepp

A few questions for you first.

The key to correct color is having each device calibrated. With that said, have you calibrated your monitor?

Are you shooting RAW or JPG in camera?

Are you processing on a MAC or PC?



Comments

If you are shooting RAW in Camera setting the profile in camera doesn't matter since you are working on raw data in your post processing conversion program (Lightroom). Assigning a color profile in camera is only for the camera's on board JPG processor.


In lightroom you can work in any profile you desire and generate your output to the desired destination profile. If you want to maintain the highest color gamut and raw data available for editing in photoshop then generating output in the ProPhoto profile is the way to go. After all your editing is done in Photoshop, and you are ready to generate your output, then is when you convert your source file from the ProPhoto profile to the destination profile. So if your output is Web then you want to convert to SRGB.

If at the beginning in Lightroom your destination is going to be web only with no post processing in Photoshop then you can save conversion steps by just generating the output to SRGB in Lightroom to begin with.

Frank

I shoot raw 90% of the time so the camera setting is not an issue. Lightroom work is done in ProPhoto with some processing done in Photoshop. I assume my Photoshop color profile should also be set to ProPhoto, correct? I know output for the web needs to sRGB, but for local non-lab printing don't most photo printing places Sam's, Kinko's etc also need sRGB. I use them sometimes for non critical work. Finally, I do my processing on a 20" iMAC. I'm sure the majority of my problems stem from a monitor that is not properly calibrated. Don't have the professional tools to do that. What I see and like on the monitor is not in anyway what the photos turn out to look like. I've tweaked some monitor settings this morning and I'm going to print a couple of photos and see what the results are.

THANKS!

Terry

[zepp]

Are you making sure that you convert to SRGB in photoshop at the last step in processing if your desired printing is a SRGB file or the output is for web? If so then then reason your prints look so much different when printed is because you monitor is not correctly calibrated.

My monitor is calibrated. I can generate a file in Lightroom to ProPhoto color space. If my default color space in Photoshop is not Prophoto I simply choose to use the embedded profile in the file upon entry into photoshop. I make my corrections and then CONVERT the image from ProPhoto to SRGB. I save that file and take it to my lab and receive prints that are extremely close to what I view in photoshop without any in-house lab corrections. This should work for you also IF you have a color calibrated monitor.


In a nutshell ...

If you are off in the beginning, processing your image on an grossly uncalibrated monitor to you eyes liking, then there is no way your desired printed results will match what you see on screen.

Originally Posted by terryturner

Frank

I shoot raw 90% of the time so the camera setting is not an issue. Lightroom work is done in ProPhoto with some processing done in Photoshop. I assume my Photoshop color profile should also be set to ProPhoto, correct? I know output for the web needs to sRGB, but for local non-lab printing don't most photo printing places Sam's, Kinko's etc also need sRGB. I use them sometimes for non critical work. Finally, I do my processing on a 20" iMAC. I'm sure the majority of my problems stem from a monitor that is not properly calibrated. Don't have the professional tools to do that. What I see and like on the monitor is not in anyway what the photos turn out to look like. I've tweaked some monitor settings this morning and I'm going to print a couple of photos and see what the results are.

THANKS!

Terry

[terryturner]

Thanks for all the help Frank. What Ive been trying lately is the print to JPEG option of Lightroom Beta 2.0 and the output is set sRGB. Even though that is a new feature in 2.0, I really think my issue is with monitor calibration.

Terry